------------------ 24.2.2004 Max Bell  wrote ------------------

Hello! I am very interested in trying your telnet program for
cell phones, but there seems to be a problem with the JAR file
in that my Sanyo SCP-5500 refuses to install it due to an
attribute mismatch (error 905). I have verified that the files
are as provided and the jad fields match the jar -- size,
location, etc. This appears to be related to some kind of
version checking the Sanyo line performs on the jar contents.
The discussion thread at
http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jsp?thread=459250&forum=76&message=2101136
seems to suggest a build problem that only affects Sanyo phones.
This concludes my bug report. Thank you for your time and
efforts!

Max

--------------------------- 24.2.2004 I answered -------------------------------

Hi Max,
try obfuscated package from: http://freewap.cz/wap/psonek/TelnetT720.jad

---------------------------- 24.2004 Max answered ------------------------------

The obfuscated version solved the problem! THANKS!!! :-)

Max

---------------------- and same day next mail from Max came --------------------

Hello again. Thanks for the pointer to the obfuscated version,
which loads just fine. However, I encountered the following
bugs when trying to use Floyd Telnet on my Sanyo SCP-5500:

I was able to successfully bind a key to the connection function
after filling in my ip and port, but once I attempted to use the
key (make the connection), it (1) did not connect nor return an
error, and (2) while I could still access the binding menu,
changes to the bindings were no longer reflected in the list
once I exited the binding function. I also uncounted a serious
problem with exiting the application -- once I exited the
application via my phone's interface, restarting the application
took me to the binding screen but I could not select any items
or exit the binding screen. To escape from this and try again,
I had to delete and reinstall Floyd. One last error I noticed
is that even on initial startup -- i.e.: fresh install of Floyd
-- the "show help" key 7 does not work.

During one of my test sessions, the listing of key bindings
unfroze and the show help key started working, but the
connection function never did work. I was jamming random keys
during this test, so I'm not able to say exactly what caused this.

I hope these bugs can be solved eventually, as I really love the
idea of telneting from my phone. Fwiw, I have tried muTelnet,
and it works for a random number of minutes and then locks up.
The Sanyo is supposed to support ip sockets, so I don't know
what the problem is, but it's sure annoying. Anyway, thanks
again for your telnet application efforts and I look forward to
testing future versions.

Max

------------------------------ I answered next day -----------------------------

Hi again Max,
it's good that you can run the application. Now let's solve the other problems.
I think most of them is because of the user interface. I wanted to make it as
small small as possible so it's not very good and intuitive. I think you should
read the tutorial from my hompage, if you didnt. As for beginning try this:
1) download Telnet
2) run it
3) press key 1 and wait. This should connect you to my telnet server.

And now let's try to solve your questions :-)

> I was able to successfully bind a key to the connection function
> after filling in my ip and port, but once I attempted to use the
> key (make the connection), it (1) did not connect nor return an
> error,

1) Try to bind connection on key 1 (bind menu->fill params -> press 1 when it
   asks "press key"). After this you return to help screen.
2) now press key 1 to make connction.
3) you should see "Connecting..." and if fails it writes after some
   time "...Failed"

> and (2) while I could still access the binding menu,
> changes to the bindings were no longer reflected in the list
> once I exited the binding function.  I also uncounted a serious
> problem with exiting the application -- once I exited the
> application via my phone's interface, restarting the application
> took me to the binding screen but I could not select any items
> or exit the binding screen.

When you exit and start telnet again you will see all binding = help :)

> To escape from this and try again,
> I had to delete and reinstall Floyd.  One last error I noticed
> is that even on initial startup -- i.e.: fresh install of Floyd
> -- the "show help" key 7 does not work.

Show help prints bindings on screen. If you are not connected, help prints with
small font (same as when you start telnet). If you are connected help prints in
new screen  (with default phone font).

I hope this help you some, if not i try help some more. Good luck. Radek

---------------------------- Answer that came from Max -------------------------


Thank you for your letter! I did read the tutorial, though
perhaps my previous letter wasn't clear. I pressed 6, per the
tutorial, and used the 'connect' function to define a connection
for my host, and then mapped that to the 1 key. Then I pressed
the 1 key with no result (no connecting, no other messages). I
also tested with a clean install and just pressing 1 to try
connecting to your server, which did not work either. To aid in
debugging, I just tried it again -- clean install, pressed 1 to
connect to your server (no other keys pressed or operations
attempted beforehand), and the result is the same: nothing
happens, no "connecting" message or any other message.

As I mention above, I do not have a problem operating the
binding function. The problems are that (1) once I have tried
to connect to any host (yours or mine, makes no difference)
future uses of the binding function seem to complete ok (i can
go to the binding menu, pick a function, bind it to a key) but
the changes no longer appear on the list of bound keys on exit
from the binding screen, (2) if I exit Floyd Telnet and return
to my phone's normal menus, when I run Floyd again I find myself
on the bind screen (which I wasn't on when I exited) but unable
to move the cursor or select anything, and (3) from a clean
install with no other buttons pressed before, pressing 7 (show
help) does nothing.

Thank you again for your help!

Max

------------------------- And i answered back twice ----------------------------

Hi Max,
thanks for really nice description of the problem. The situation is now like
this: yesterday i started to work on SSH and optimalized some Telnet code also.
I am planing to make new realease of Telnet and SSH very soon (i hope tonight).
I will build in some debugging there so we can find out where is the problem on
your phone. I will send you mail then. See you. Radek


Hi Max,
i made special package for you to test if you can connect from your phone. You
can download from: http://freewap.cz/wap/psonek/MaxTelnet.jad

When you start just press "1" and wait until console shows up. There are too
possible cases:
1) Connected!!!
2) Connection fails

The first case is fine for you, because telnet should run on your phone.
The second can be either if you dont GPRS set correctly. Please mail me what was
exactly the result and i can try further solve the problem. See ya. Radek

---------------------------- 26.2.2004 Max answered ----------------------------

Hi Radek. Downloaded and ran the special version, test was
successful: got the "Connected!!!" (last line) response on the
Debug console screen. Don't know if it's important, but I did
notice it only works once -- after I press 'done' to exit the
debug console, pressing 1 doesn't work a second time. Also, I
can exit this version back to the phone menus and then rerun it
without problems (pressing 1 works again -- one time per run).
Thanks for your interest in my problem!

Max

-------------------------------- My answer was ---------------------------------

Hi again Max,
it works the way it should. We are connected to server that was really important
to know for me. Now I added some tracing information that prints to console.
Output from my phone is this:

Connecting
socket://158.194.80.13:23
Connected!!!
Reader started
Input:
ÿýÿý ÿý#ÿý'
ÿû
ÿü
ÿü#
ÿü'
Flushing output
Input:
ÿú
ÿð
ÿú
vt320
ÿð
Flushing output
Input:
ÿûÿý
ÿýÿûÿý!
ÿý
ÿû

ÿû
ÿú  ÿð
ÿû
ÿþ
ÿü!
Flushing output
Input:
ÿþ
ÿû

ÿü

ÿý

Flushing output
Input:
Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 phoenix.inf.upol.cz

phoenix login:

Please tell me, where is the output from your phone different. You can find
debuging verision again at: http://freewap.cz/wap/psonek/MaxTelnet.jad
If you get to the last line you can try exit console. You should se login screen
on telnet and you should be able to work normaly with telnet. If not I can try
find out from your output what goes wrong. Good luck. Radek

------------------------------- Max answer was ---------------------------------

Unfortunately, the new version produces no output at all -- does
not even display the debug console screen -- when I press 1.

Max

---------------------------------- My reply ------------------------------------

That's bad. I know that it's really hard to look for the problem when i dont
have the phone. I will help you as long as you want, but it can take long time.
I know it from past. First version was working on Siemens fine, but it took me
like 3 days to run on Motorola. Sockets are behaving different way there and
thing that run on computer or Siemens hang on other phones. Well i stop whining.
Maybe i am on track what could be wrong. You can try again
http://freewap.cz/wap/psonek/MaxTelnet.jad  This version displays console when
you run it and automaticly connects and should print connecting log (same as log
as in previous version).

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hello again. First the yay news (well, moderately good,
anyway): the new version runs and gets as far as displaying
"reader started" in the debug log. The ooops news is that I
think I bungled the install of the last version and tested the
wrong one. The jad file had (and has) a bad jar-url specifier
-- refers to the jad file vs. the jar file. This is not a big
problem for me, as I can and did download both the jad and the
jar and installed them from my webserver after editing the jad.
However, I think I grabbed and installed the wrong (original)
jar last time, so naturally it didn't work. Sorry about that. :-(

Max

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Max,
that's kinda strange. Reader started but it should continue. I removed last part
that could be problematic. If this new version wont get over "reader started"
i dont know what next. After reader started i am just checking for data in
connection - nothing seem to be wrong for me. Oh well will see :-) The
adress for download is again the same. I wish good luck. Radek

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Max,
i did a testing application. If you install it, you can choose one of the 4
connection. It will try to connect, read and display data (the same way as in my
Telnet, but this is really simple). I am really interested in the output.
See you. Radek

Here is my output:
1)
SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.4p1 Debian 1:3.4p1-1.woody.3
211,211,200,173,177,174,185,185,173,207,240,229,238,211,211,200,223,179,174,180,240,177,160,196,229,226,233,225,238,160,177,186,179,174,180,240,177,173,177,174,247,239,239,228,249,174,179,138,

2)
ÿýÿý ÿý#ÿý'
127,125,152,127,125,160,127,125,163,127,125,167,

3)
ýÿý





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4)
SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.6.1



211,211,200,173,177,174,185,185,173,207,240,229,238,211,211,200,223,179,174,182,174,177,138,

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Mozem sa opytat ci mi vas program pobezi na nokia 3510i alebo nokia 3410.
Za odpoved vopred dakujem.

-------------------------------------

Zdravim,
co vim, tak s Nokii jsou problemy - chybi ji sockety. Co ja vim, tak by to melo fungovat na Nokiich se Simbianem a jeste na te co se tak otevre a je pak mooc dlouha a ma klavesnici jak PC (ale nevim jak se jmenuje :). Asi jsem vas nepotesil ze? Radek

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Skusal som Telneta na n.3510i - neplatny subor, SSH - isla len lahka verzia (vascsia-nebola prijata z dovodu velkosti) ale bohuzial ide len menu a pri pokuse o pripojenie hned vyhodi chybu. Simbian to nepodporuje, ale cital som ze telefony bez socketov vedia len jedno pripojenie a len http teda port 80. Ako je potom mozne za na mojom telefone bezi email klient cez pop3 a smtp (110,25 myslim) Strasne by to bodlo idem si kupit Eurotel Data Nonstop GPRS, viete o co ide je to i v CR. PC mam NONSTOP pripojene cez WIFI a bezi na nom i server sshd takze Vam nemusim hovorit o moznostiach.

Dakujem za Vas drahocenny cas, chcel som sa len podelit o skusennosti a ked sa vas bude nikto pytat na 3510i tak budete vediet odpovedat a mozno ten program i upravite. :)

S pozdravom Cracken

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Ahoj,
Co se tyce te chyby co Nokie pri instalaci vypisovala, tak me uz upozornovali, ze v manifestu .jar souboru je spatne cislo verze a ze to nekterym telefonum vadi - to by mohl byt vas pripad. Jinak jestli na to jestli funguji sockety jsem udelal jednoduchy testovaci program, ktery se da stahnout na http://freewap.cz/wap/psonek/SocketTest.jad
Jsou tam 4 testovaci pripojeni. Program umi cist a zobrazit data, takze pokud vas vysledek bude nejaky rozumny text (zejmena spojeni c. 3) pak by telefon mel sockety zvladat. Hodne stesti Radek